2/14/08 12:30 am - Strange Boiling
My mind is racing, so I’m putting thoughts to keyboard.
After reading this and watching the accompanying video, I began to wonder what would happen if you boiled water with strange heaters.
When I think of boiling, I think of a pot on the stove heating water. Bubble nucleation starts, convection currents kick in, bubbles rise, new bubbles replace, repeat.
But what if you heated the water from above? Imagine a constantly heated metal cone with the tip and the bottom removed. Immerse the base of it in water in a Pyrex beaker. I can only imagine that the convection currents would be a number of toroids, and a jet of steam would shoot out of the open tip of the cone.
Now, if you immersed the entire cone in the water, I imagine that you’d get a very large toroidal convection current, with steam and boiling water shooting out of the open tip - likely disturbing the surface of the water. Other surfaces would probably also get very interesting results. A single vertical cylinder, a cone with only the bottom removed (superheated trapped steam?), a disc resting on (or very slightly below) the surface of the water..
I’ve very, very interested in what the water would do.. But I’d need a large beaker, some sort of sheet metal, and a way to heat the metal. Ideas that come to mind all involve resistive heating. A soldering iron would probably be the simplest way, but in all cases except the vertical cylinder, it would disturb convection and cause boiling on its on. Insulation might solve the problem, but it wouldn’t be easy. Another way would be to make the metal plate the resistive heater. For the open cone, wires could be attached in multiple places to the top and bottom of the cone. Issues involve a) electrical conduction through the water, b) uneven heating of the cone, c) the low resistance of metal..
A) can be solved with sterilized water, which has very low conductivity, but I’d bet insulated wires and a metal plate would change that. A lot. B) might be addressed with lots of small wires, evenly space around the rims of the cone. C) could be fixed with nothing other than more power. ;)
Looking through Wikipedia’s information, it looks like diamond is a pretty good electrical insulator - and a generally not-so-good electrical conductor. So, if I could plate an aluminum cone with diamond and suspend it in water with numerous wires (all with high temperature insulators,) I’d be good to go. =T
Now then. Sorry about the rant. :O
I still want to try the experiment, though. ;)
Edit: Ohhh! Neat idea! An induction cooker might solve the heating problem nicely. Suspend the cone with fishing line, stick the beaker on the induction cooker, and hope the magnetic field has a good enough range to reach something that’s not directly on the pad. It wouldn’t solve the conductivity-of-water problem, but I don’t think that’d be hugely significant to the result. Induction heaters still boil water quite well in a normal ferro-magnetic pot.. $60 for the cooker (which can be used in the kitchen afterwards,) the beaker would be cheap, bottled water.. The most difficult thing would be the steel cone/other shape for the actual heating.
If I only had about $80.
After reading this and watching the accompanying video, I began to wonder what would happen if you boiled water with strange heaters.
When I think of boiling, I think of a pot on the stove heating water. Bubble nucleation starts, convection currents kick in, bubbles rise, new bubbles replace, repeat.
But what if you heated the water from above? Imagine a constantly heated metal cone with the tip and the bottom removed. Immerse the base of it in water in a Pyrex beaker. I can only imagine that the convection currents would be a number of toroids, and a jet of steam would shoot out of the open tip of the cone.
Now, if you immersed the entire cone in the water, I imagine that you’d get a very large toroidal convection current, with steam and boiling water shooting out of the open tip - likely disturbing the surface of the water. Other surfaces would probably also get very interesting results. A single vertical cylinder, a cone with only the bottom removed (superheated trapped steam?), a disc resting on (or very slightly below) the surface of the water..
I’ve very, very interested in what the water would do.. But I’d need a large beaker, some sort of sheet metal, and a way to heat the metal. Ideas that come to mind all involve resistive heating. A soldering iron would probably be the simplest way, but in all cases except the vertical cylinder, it would disturb convection and cause boiling on its on. Insulation might solve the problem, but it wouldn’t be easy. Another way would be to make the metal plate the resistive heater. For the open cone, wires could be attached in multiple places to the top and bottom of the cone. Issues involve a) electrical conduction through the water, b) uneven heating of the cone, c) the low resistance of metal..
A) can be solved with sterilized water, which has very low conductivity, but I’d bet insulated wires and a metal plate would change that. A lot. B) might be addressed with lots of small wires, evenly space around the rims of the cone. C) could be fixed with nothing other than more power. ;)
Looking through Wikipedia’s information, it looks like diamond is a pretty good electrical insulator - and a generally not-so-good electrical conductor. So, if I could plate an aluminum cone with diamond and suspend it in water with numerous wires (all with high temperature insulators,) I’d be good to go. =T
Now then. Sorry about the rant. :O
I still want to try the experiment, though. ;)
Edit: Ohhh! Neat idea! An induction cooker might solve the heating problem nicely. Suspend the cone with fishing line, stick the beaker on the induction cooker, and hope the magnetic field has a good enough range to reach something that’s not directly on the pad. It wouldn’t solve the conductivity-of-water problem, but I don’t think that’d be hugely significant to the result. Induction heaters still boil water quite well in a normal ferro-magnetic pot.. $60 for the cooker (which can be used in the kitchen afterwards,) the beaker would be cheap, bottled water.. The most difficult thing would be the steel cone/other shape for the actual heating.
If I only had about $80.
